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	<title>Comments on: What I&#8217;ve Earned (And Learned) From Writing &#8220;Beginning Ruby&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Mimi Lee @trufinancial</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mimi Lee @trufinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,

It is interesting that you shared all these information here that detail. I had written a few internet related books back in Hong Kong about 12 years ago. 

It is very true that every publisher function in different and every author gets different ways of compensation too. I was a new author at the time and I didn&#039;t know there was &quot;advance&quot; offered, so I didn&#039;t have any advance at all. However, since I was doing it when I was on maturity leave, I was all good :)

I felt like &quot;giving birth to a child&quot; every time I wrote a book. Not sure if you have the same feeling (consider you are a guy, LOL). 

However, I must say, not ALL smaller publishers are &quot;easier&quot; to talk to, as they have tight budget and they sometimes are picky to what they publish. 

I had an experience that I had done a book on WAP (if you recall way back in the time when cell phone just started to be able to browse the web, it was in WAP). I had an offer from this Taiwanese WAP telecom company which planned to hire me and have my book published, fell through :(

Since the lifespan on WAP was so short (like beta tape), I lost the whole opportunity to even take it to another publisher. 

So, anyone who has passion on writing, make sure you choose a good publisher :(

Mimi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>It is interesting that you shared all these information here that detail. I had written a few internet related books back in Hong Kong about 12 years ago. </p>
<p>It is very true that every publisher function in different and every author gets different ways of compensation too. I was a new author at the time and I didn&#8217;t know there was &#8220;advance&#8221; offered, so I didn&#8217;t have any advance at all. However, since I was doing it when I was on maturity leave, I was all good <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I felt like &#8220;giving birth to a child&#8221; every time I wrote a book. Not sure if you have the same feeling (consider you are a guy, LOL). </p>
<p>However, I must say, not ALL smaller publishers are &#8220;easier&#8221; to talk to, as they have tight budget and they sometimes are picky to what they publish. </p>
<p>I had an experience that I had done a book on WAP (if you recall way back in the time when cell phone just started to be able to browse the web, it was in WAP). I had an offer from this Taiwanese WAP telecom company which planned to hire me and have my book published, fell through <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Since the lifespan on WAP was so short (like beta tape), I lost the whole opportunity to even take it to another publisher. </p>
<p>So, anyone who has passion on writing, make sure you choose a good publisher <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mimi</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ray</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read, Peter. Thanks.

I&#039;ve done a number of books for various publishers and have some stories that would make you weep (well, they made me weep). I had an agent, briefly, who told me that my stories were nothing compared to what he had seen.

One publisher insisted that I do a Commodore-64 version of a book. I negotiated a substantial advance because I knew it would be a dog. It was, and the publisher subtracted the advance from the royalty payments on my other books.

Another publisher I wrote for was sold just as my book was about to go into production. The new owner wasn&#039;t interested in publishing the book, but strung me along for three years before returning the rights to me. If I were to write another book for a major publisher, I&#039;d insist on enough of an advance to soften the blow of the book not being published (or negotiate a hefty kill fee).

I&#039;m not sure how well this would work with tech. books, but major publishers are often open to escalating royalties after a certain number of copies are sold. At that point they&#039;ve recovered the initial costs of the book and can afford higher royalty rates. I had one contract that escalated to 18.5%.

People thinking about doing a book should keep in mind a rule-of-thumb that I learned from a successful author with many books under his belt: When you&#039;ve finished your draft and have everything the way you want it, you&#039;re about 1/3 done with the work. That&#039;s been about right for all the books I&#039;ve done.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read, Peter. Thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a number of books for various publishers and have some stories that would make you weep (well, they made me weep). I had an agent, briefly, who told me that my stories were nothing compared to what he had seen.</p>
<p>One publisher insisted that I do a Commodore-64 version of a book. I negotiated a substantial advance because I knew it would be a dog. It was, and the publisher subtracted the advance from the royalty payments on my other books.</p>
<p>Another publisher I wrote for was sold just as my book was about to go into production. The new owner wasn&#8217;t interested in publishing the book, but strung me along for three years before returning the rights to me. If I were to write another book for a major publisher, I&#8217;d insist on enough of an advance to soften the blow of the book not being published (or negotiate a hefty kill fee).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how well this would work with tech. books, but major publishers are often open to escalating royalties after a certain number of copies are sold. At that point they&#8217;ve recovered the initial costs of the book and can afford higher royalty rates. I had one contract that escalated to 18.5%.</p>
<p>People thinking about doing a book should keep in mind a rule-of-thumb that I learned from a successful author with many books under his belt: When you&#8217;ve finished your draft and have everything the way you want it, you&#8217;re about 1/3 done with the work. That&#8217;s been about right for all the books I&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post, Peter, and the great comments (everyone else).  If I was in the market for an introductory Ruby book, your frankness here would have me rushing to buy your book.  I hope some Ruby newbies feel the same way.  Good luck with any future books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post, Peter, and the great comments (everyone else).  If I was in the market for an introductory Ruby book, your frankness here would have me rushing to buy your book.  I hope some Ruby newbies feel the same way.  Good luck with any future books.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post. Its a bold move to publish all these details openly. It helps immensely understands pros and cons involved in writing technical book. 

 Beginning Ruby is a great book for starters in Ruby. We have come up with &quot;Interactive Programming Books&quot; which helps beginners to pick up new language very easily. Readers can execute or edit code snippets right out of the book. Visit http://roorky.com to see &quot;Interactive Programming Books&quot; in action. 

Thanks
-- PK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post. Its a bold move to publish all these details openly. It helps immensely understands pros and cons involved in writing technical book. </p>
<p> Beginning Ruby is a great book for starters in Ruby. We have come up with &#8220;Interactive Programming Books&#8221; which helps beginners to pick up new language very easily. Readers can execute or edit code snippets right out of the book. Visit <a href="http://roorky.com" rel="nofollow">http://roorky.com</a> to see &#8220;Interactive Programming Books&#8221; in action. </p>
<p>Thanks<br />
&#8211; PK</p>
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		<title>By: Jusan</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Jusan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing us your experienced on how you started. I absolutely loved your article. I am sure a lot of readers will inspire your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing us your experienced on how you started. I absolutely loved your article. I am sure a lot of readers will inspire your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for O&#039;Reilly for years and loved my time there and respect the people there -- including and especially Tim -- but take exception to his saying &quot;As Bill Pollock said, don’t confuse “50% of profits” from the Prags with a 50% royalty. I do think the Prags have one of the best deals around, but it isn’t as much better than others as it might appear.&quot;

I have had this discussion off line with Tim and shared with him dollar amounts that I am earning from my Cocoa book that I am writing for the Prags. It is not just percentages, it is also dollars. It is MUCH better than other publishers. I&#039;ve co-written a dozen books or so for a bunch of different publishers. My last four books have collectively well outsold this one so far and yet I&#039;ve made many times more money off of this one already than the last four put together. 

I may be biased as I currently edit books for the Prags but I edit books for the Prags because of the way in which they treat their authors. In my three years there our decisions always come down to how it serves our readers and how it serves our authors. I&#039;ve never heard &quot;how it serves us&quot; trump either of those. 

Daniel Steinberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for O&#8217;Reilly for years and loved my time there and respect the people there &#8212; including and especially Tim &#8212; but take exception to his saying &#8220;As Bill Pollock said, don’t confuse “50% of profits” from the Prags with a 50% royalty. I do think the Prags have one of the best deals around, but it isn’t as much better than others as it might appear.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have had this discussion off line with Tim and shared with him dollar amounts that I am earning from my Cocoa book that I am writing for the Prags. It is not just percentages, it is also dollars. It is MUCH better than other publishers. I&#8217;ve co-written a dozen books or so for a bunch of different publishers. My last four books have collectively well outsold this one so far and yet I&#8217;ve made many times more money off of this one already than the last four put together. </p>
<p>I may be biased as I currently edit books for the Prags but I edit books for the Prags because of the way in which they treat their authors. In my three years there our decisions always come down to how it serves our readers and how it serves our authors. I&#8217;ve never heard &#8220;how it serves us&#8221; trump either of those. </p>
<p>Daniel Steinberg</p>
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		<dc:creator>[Time code];</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Peter Cooper posted a blog about his experience publishing Beginning Ruby for APress, a blog that got extraordinary traffic after being featured on Slashdot with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Cooper</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Thomas of The Pragmatic Programmers/Bookshelf has &lt;a href=&quot;http://pragdave.blogs.pragprog.com/pragdave/2009/10/pragmatic-bookshelf-royalty-rates.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written a post&lt;/a&gt; to counter the FUD regarding their royalty practices (i.e. the deduction of costs before paying royalties).

Interestingly, we discover that 51% of their books earn between $10k-50k in royalties. Can&#039;t sniff at that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Thomas of The Pragmatic Programmers/Bookshelf has <a href="http://pragdave.blogs.pragprog.com/pragdave/2009/10/pragmatic-bookshelf-royalty-rates.html" rel="nofollow">written a post</a> to counter the FUD regarding their royalty practices (i.e. the deduction of costs before paying royalties).</p>
<p>Interestingly, we discover that 51% of their books earn between $10k-50k in royalties. Can&#8217;t sniff at that!</p>
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		<title>By: James Edward Gray II</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>James Edward Gray II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote two books for The Pragmatic Programmers.  I was 115% satisfied with how I was treated by them at all times.  I can&#039;t really imagine better working terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote two books for The Pragmatic Programmers.  I was 115% satisfied with how I was treated by them at all times.  I can&#8217;t really imagine better working terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio Javier Cicchelli</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Julio Javier Cicchelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a follow up on Amy&#039;s opinion, there are a lot of people out there who prefer to avoid the publishers (no matter the reason) and keep control over the content and the publishing of their book. Of course, this option requires more risks than the publisher option but the satisfaction is worthy of it. 

If for any reason, you want to write a book and you don&#039;t know how to publish it, there is always http://www.lulu.com that will help you with that.

ROCK ON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a follow up on Amy&#8217;s opinion, there are a lot of people out there who prefer to avoid the publishers (no matter the reason) and keep control over the content and the publishing of their book. Of course, this option requires more risks than the publisher option but the satisfaction is worthy of it. </p>
<p>If for any reason, you want to write a book and you don&#8217;t know how to publish it, there is always <a href="http://www.lulu.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lulu.com</a> that will help you with that.</p>
<p>ROCK ON!</p>
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