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		<title>By: The Economics of Publishing, Part 2 &#8211; Larry Ullman</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>The Economics of Publishing, Part 2 &#8211; Larry Ullman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] across posts by two other writers: John Resig, who is better known as the creator of jQuery, and Peter Cooper, who has written a book on Ruby. Both writers post scans of their actual royalty statements, which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mimi Lee @trufinancial</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mimi Lee @trufinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,

It is interesting that you shared all these information here that detail. I had written a few internet related books back in Hong Kong about 12 years ago. 

It is very true that every publisher function in different and every author gets different ways of compensation too. I was a new author at the time and I didn&#039;t know there was &quot;advance&quot; offered, so I didn&#039;t have any advance at all. However, since I was doing it when I was on maturity leave, I was all good :)

I felt like &quot;giving birth to a child&quot; every time I wrote a book. Not sure if you have the same feeling (consider you are a guy, LOL). 

However, I must say, not ALL smaller publishers are &quot;easier&quot; to talk to, as they have tight budget and they sometimes are picky to what they publish. 

I had an experience that I had done a book on WAP (if you recall way back in the time when cell phone just started to be able to browse the web, it was in WAP). I had an offer from this Taiwanese WAP telecom company which planned to hire me and have my book published, fell through :(

Since the lifespan on WAP was so short (like beta tape), I lost the whole opportunity to even take it to another publisher. 

So, anyone who has passion on writing, make sure you choose a good publisher :(

Mimi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>It is interesting that you shared all these information here that detail. I had written a few internet related books back in Hong Kong about 12 years ago. </p>
<p>It is very true that every publisher function in different and every author gets different ways of compensation too. I was a new author at the time and I didn&#8217;t know there was &#8220;advance&#8221; offered, so I didn&#8217;t have any advance at all. However, since I was doing it when I was on maturity leave, I was all good <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I felt like &#8220;giving birth to a child&#8221; every time I wrote a book. Not sure if you have the same feeling (consider you are a guy, LOL). </p>
<p>However, I must say, not ALL smaller publishers are &#8220;easier&#8221; to talk to, as they have tight budget and they sometimes are picky to what they publish. </p>
<p>I had an experience that I had done a book on WAP (if you recall way back in the time when cell phone just started to be able to browse the web, it was in WAP). I had an offer from this Taiwanese WAP telecom company which planned to hire me and have my book published, fell through <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Since the lifespan on WAP was so short (like beta tape), I lost the whole opportunity to even take it to another publisher. </p>
<p>So, anyone who has passion on writing, make sure you choose a good publisher <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mimi</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ray</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read, Peter. Thanks.

I&#039;ve done a number of books for various publishers and have some stories that would make you weep (well, they made me weep). I had an agent, briefly, who told me that my stories were nothing compared to what he had seen.

One publisher insisted that I do a Commodore-64 version of a book. I negotiated a substantial advance because I knew it would be a dog. It was, and the publisher subtracted the advance from the royalty payments on my other books.

Another publisher I wrote for was sold just as my book was about to go into production. The new owner wasn&#039;t interested in publishing the book, but strung me along for three years before returning the rights to me. If I were to write another book for a major publisher, I&#039;d insist on enough of an advance to soften the blow of the book not being published (or negotiate a hefty kill fee).

I&#039;m not sure how well this would work with tech. books, but major publishers are often open to escalating royalties after a certain number of copies are sold. At that point they&#039;ve recovered the initial costs of the book and can afford higher royalty rates. I had one contract that escalated to 18.5%.

People thinking about doing a book should keep in mind a rule-of-thumb that I learned from a successful author with many books under his belt: When you&#039;ve finished your draft and have everything the way you want it, you&#039;re about 1/3 done with the work. That&#039;s been about right for all the books I&#039;ve done.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read, Peter. Thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a number of books for various publishers and have some stories that would make you weep (well, they made me weep). I had an agent, briefly, who told me that my stories were nothing compared to what he had seen.</p>
<p>One publisher insisted that I do a Commodore-64 version of a book. I negotiated a substantial advance because I knew it would be a dog. It was, and the publisher subtracted the advance from the royalty payments on my other books.</p>
<p>Another publisher I wrote for was sold just as my book was about to go into production. The new owner wasn&#8217;t interested in publishing the book, but strung me along for three years before returning the rights to me. If I were to write another book for a major publisher, I&#8217;d insist on enough of an advance to soften the blow of the book not being published (or negotiate a hefty kill fee).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how well this would work with tech. books, but major publishers are often open to escalating royalties after a certain number of copies are sold. At that point they&#8217;ve recovered the initial costs of the book and can afford higher royalty rates. I had one contract that escalated to 18.5%.</p>
<p>People thinking about doing a book should keep in mind a rule-of-thumb that I learned from a successful author with many books under his belt: When you&#8217;ve finished your draft and have everything the way you want it, you&#8217;re about 1/3 done with the work. That&#8217;s been about right for all the books I&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note that copyright regulations are very much a local issue. While - I believe - all the world countries&#039; copyright laws assert that you are not allowed to redistribute your own copies of someone&#039;s work without the author&#039;s consent, most of them have some &quot;fair use&quot; provisions. Now these are the ones that probably vary quite wildly around the globe. In my country, apart from, e.g., provisions allowing schools and churches to freely use copyrighted works in certain ways (and the like), individuals are explicitly allowed to obtain copyrighted works for (sole) personal use. I.e., some forms of &quot;piracy&quot;, as understood by North American folks, are actually perfectly fine. I don&#039;t think it hurts the sales of books all that much, though, since you can&#039;t download a printed tome, and those who really need them will buy them in paper anyway. I&#039;ve already bought several not-quite-cheap books simply because I was able to make sure in advance that I wouldn&#039;t regret spending the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note that copyright regulations are very much a local issue. While &#8211; I believe &#8211; all the world countries&#8217; copyright laws assert that you are not allowed to redistribute your own copies of someone&#8217;s work without the author&#8217;s consent, most of them have some &#8220;fair use&#8221; provisions. Now these are the ones that probably vary quite wildly around the globe. In my country, apart from, e.g., provisions allowing schools and churches to freely use copyrighted works in certain ways (and the like), individuals are explicitly allowed to obtain copyrighted works for (sole) personal use. I.e., some forms of &#8220;piracy&#8221;, as understood by North American folks, are actually perfectly fine. I don&#8217;t think it hurts the sales of books all that much, though, since you can&#8217;t download a printed tome, and those who really need them will buy them in paper anyway. I&#8217;ve already bought several not-quite-cheap books simply because I was able to make sure in advance that I wouldn&#8217;t regret spending the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Entrepreneur Extraordinaire: Peter Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Entrepreneur Extraordinaire: Peter Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about how much money he makes for ads on RubyInside.com, and he writes about the fascinating insider details of his pain and gain as an Apress author. When you read this amazing post, be sure to check out the A-listers who added in their comments on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: igorbrejc.net &#187; Fresh Catch For February 8th</title>
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		<dc:creator>igorbrejc.net &#187; Fresh Catch For February 8th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Helen Neely</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the best posts I&#039;ve read online that has truly lifted the lid on what seemed to most of us as a very good and financially rewarding experience. But your post here has shown that to not be the case. If publishers treat their authors like you describe here, then there&#039;s nothing in there for these authors. 

Judging from your sales figures and payments, I would say one makes more money promoting books on Amazon than you make as the author. It&#039;s not all about the money, the experience and fun matter too.  But all these do not count if the publisher does not value you as a talented individual.

Nce book BTW :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best posts I&#8217;ve read online that has truly lifted the lid on what seemed to most of us as a very good and financially rewarding experience. But your post here has shown that to not be the case. If publishers treat their authors like you describe here, then there&#8217;s nothing in there for these authors. </p>
<p>Judging from your sales figures and payments, I would say one makes more money promoting books on Amazon than you make as the author. It&#8217;s not all about the money, the experience and fun matter too.  But all these do not count if the publisher does not value you as a talented individual.</p>
<p>Nce book BTW <img src='http://beginningruby.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post, Peter, and the great comments (everyone else).  If I was in the market for an introductory Ruby book, your frankness here would have me rushing to buy your book.  I hope some Ruby newbies feel the same way.  Good luck with any future books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post, Peter, and the great comments (everyone else).  If I was in the market for an introductory Ruby book, your frankness here would have me rushing to buy your book.  I hope some Ruby newbies feel the same way.  Good luck with any future books.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/comment-page-2/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post. Its a bold move to publish all these details openly. It helps immensely understands pros and cons involved in writing technical book. 

 Beginning Ruby is a great book for starters in Ruby. We have come up with &quot;Interactive Programming Books&quot; which helps beginners to pick up new language very easily. Readers can execute or edit code snippets right out of the book. Visit http://roorky.com to see &quot;Interactive Programming Books&quot; in action. 

Thanks
-- PK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post. Its a bold move to publish all these details openly. It helps immensely understands pros and cons involved in writing technical book. </p>
<p> Beginning Ruby is a great book for starters in Ruby. We have come up with &#8220;Interactive Programming Books&#8221; which helps beginners to pick up new language very easily. Readers can execute or edit code snippets right out of the book. Visit <a href="http://roorky.com" rel="nofollow">http://roorky.com</a> to see &#8220;Interactive Programming Books&#8221; in action. </p>
<p>Thanks<br />
&#8211; PK</p>
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		<title>By: Jusan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jusan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing us your experienced on how you started. I absolutely loved your article. I am sure a lot of readers will inspire your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing us your experienced on how you started. I absolutely loved your article. I am sure a lot of readers will inspire your post.</p>
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